Why the Four Horsemen’s “Mythic Legions” Aren’t 6-Inches Tall
There’s a fantastic interview with the Four Horsemen about their upcoming Glyos System-compatible (Onell Design) action figure series, Mythic Legions, over at It’s All True. The interview is fun, packed with info on the line and teasing all of us just enough that fans of Dungeons & Dragons, Lord of the Rings, and fantasy adventure are already trying to decide how many of each design needs to be on our shelves.
It’s a great interview and you should read it: “Four Horsemen Interview: 4″ Scale Mythic Legions!”
What isn’t cool, though, are some of the comments to the interview. A surprising number of action figure collectors seem to be unable to understand that the Four Horsemen have legitimate, powerful reasons to create the action figures in this line in a scale smaller than the 6-inch size that Mattel uses for their (dead) DC Universe Classics series and Hasbro uses for Marvel Legends. In reading the comments I was stunned at the responses; after all that has been discussed online do some adult collectors not understand the financial realities that are impacting today’s toy manufacturing?
“IF i were advocating for the success of the mythic legions, in a long term sense, i’d say take the line to kickstarter, market the hell out of it as well or better than they did the ravens, and i’d add stretch goals of new bucks, not just colorway swaps or alternate pieces, but full on different bucks… ”
– dayraven, comment on It’s All True
That’s seriously an unrealistic option when it comes to action figure tooling and Kickstarter. To make such an idea — a completely new action figure design — work would require the stretch goal be EQUAL to the initial starting goal. So if the Four Horsemen would need $65,000 to make one 6-inch scale action figure (see their Kickstarter project) then a second would place the stretch goal at $130,000. That’s a pretty big stretch and one that would stall a project and cause troubles.
Kickstarter stretch goals, I believe, must be close enough together so that they are achieved quickly. Speed helps drive excitement, and excitement helps drive dollars pouring into a project. I feel that making a completely new figure as a stretch goal would lead to stagnation and a slower accumulation of support.
“When I heard the news (and the unannounced scale) I was SO into the idea of an army of skeleton warriors for He-Man and the Masters to go up against, enlisting the aid of a dwarven clan.
But, otherwise, it’s only GI Joe or superheroes. Thor, maybe? Meh…”
– Pollex Christi, comment on It’s All True
“Meh?” The Four Horsemen reveal some of the coolest fantasy action figures we have seen, throw their love for a project onto the world and present some great sculpts, and a fan responds with “meh?” I’m offended by this, if only because saying something isn’t for you is fine, but this statement is insulting and leads me to something I feel everyone needs to accept:
Not all Four Horsemen “fans” are fans of the talent and experience the Four Horsemen bring to a project. More of them than I care tho think about are fans of the properties the Horsemen work on. DC fans. Masters of the Universe fans. But NOT fans of the Four Horsemen.
While I would love to see knights, skeletons, and fantasy monsters for the Masters of the Universe Classics series — see “Wanted: Adventure Sets for Masters of the Universe Classics” and Wanted: More Adventure Sets for Masters of the Universe Classics” — I feel it’s unfair to expect the Four Horsemen to take the risk alone. And that is exactly what 6-inch action figures are for independent producers these days: Risk! Significant financial risk, and there’s a PR risk if a project is taken to Kickstarter and fails.
Tooling a new action figure costs tens of thousands of dollars when you’re trying to make a hyper-articulated toy that’s sized to fit Masters of the Universe Classics — which isn’t 6-inches — and then the raw materials are significantly more expensive for a figure of 6-inches instead of 4-inches. “It’s only two inches taller,” you say? Well, that’s not how things work. It’s also thicker in all directions and uses significantly more plastic.
I’ll simplify everything and use a cube. A Masters of the Universe Classics action figure is roughly 7-inches tall, 3.5-inches wide, and 1.5-inch deep . . . or a total of 36.75 cubic inches. A 1978 Kenner Chewbacca, as a point of comparison, is 4-inches tall, 1.5-inches wide, and .75-inches deep . . . which works out to 4.5 cubic inches.
Now these numbers are in no way accurate (the toys are not cubes) but the relative cubic inches are in the ballpark enough to illustrate how much more raw plastic the larger figure requires. (An engineer would very likely nail down precise measurements here, but I am not an engineer.)
Plastic, you may have heard, is not the cheap stuff it once was.
And that difference in size doesn’t only impact the manufacturing costs. A larger toy costs more to ship, and when the Four Horsemen (or any independent toy manufacturer) creates toys they don’t always benefit from the volume that a company the size of Mattel or Hasbro ships. Even at the office we ship enough games that we can ship entire containers, which is a significant cost savings over LCL shipping.
This means a company like the Four Horsemen needs to minimize their shipping costs both to their warehouse and to their customers, because shipping high costs damage potential profitability. A 4-inch action figure simply costs less to ship than a 6-inch action figure.
“These Mythic guys are clearly and distinctly in the action figure category, and aside from “I prefer blue tunic and wood shield on skeleton dude†I don’t see how the build aspect is a huge advantage here.”
– Lay Ze-Man, comment on It’s All True
I feel this statement demonstrates a limited understanding of the costs of manufacturing and an underestimation of what fans will be able to do with the Glyos-compatibility of the Mythic Legions action figures.
When it comes to action figures size isn’t the only enemy of profitability. Joints also cause damage to the cost structure of manufacturing, with more and more hinges, balls, and crunches increasing costs. The Glyos joint, by comparison, is cheaper since it uses a friction fit and doesn’t require pins or significant assembly time. And the Four Horsemen’s trick (used with Power Lords and planned for Mythic Legions) of combining traditional articulation design with limited Glyos joints means they can take advantage of some cost savings while working with the joints they feel create the look and feel they want.
And as to building, I have no worries that the truly creative fans will stun us all with elaborate and amazing action figure builds. And when you start to think through how an action figure game could be designed to work with these toys . . . wait, that brings me to:
“ever walk into a gaming shop and see how many figures there are on the shelves? the answer is, gamers aren’t buying toys, mostly. they’ll buy miniatures, and they’ll buy statues, kind of, but they just don’t jibe on the figures…”
– dayraven, comment on It’s All True
I disagree completely. I think that if the right combination of game rules and action figures come along then we’ll see many miniatures gamers make the leap to an action figure game. There have been action figure game attempts in the past — Shadowrun Duels and Z-G both come to mind instantly — but there’s never been a game that combined amazing sculpts with fun mechanics.
By partnering with the right company and/or game designers I feel Mythic Legions would do very well as a game-based Kickstarter project. A tactical dungeoncrawl game using these figures would be incredible, and the ability to parts swap — assign cards with stats to each part and then construct your character — would only strengthen such a game.
I argue that there’s far more overlap between gamers and toy collectors than many people realize. Many times at conventions I run into people who know of my work in one realm or the other. They’re then surprised to learn I’m involved in two of their favorite hobbies.
Has an action figure game ever been a huge success? No. But that doesn’t mean it cannot happen.
The Mythic Legions Toys are 4-Inches Because of Money and Potential
Ultimately, all of this post boils down to:
- Manufacturing is expensive. The smaller size limits costs, minimizes risks, and increases chance of a profitable line.
- Glyos-compatibility and the smaller size both opens up an existing potential market and allows for lower prices, which makes it easier for fans to army build.
Good Luck!
In the end the market will decide what happens, but I believe the Four Horsemen have made the right call and I wish them luck. And guys, if you want to bounce any ideas off of my skull — or if you just want to chat — I’m always available. I wish I’d had more time to visit at NYTF a few weeks ago.
Good luck with the new line! I’m ready to step in and start buying more toys.
I’m a huge fan of 4” figures and think this is most definitely the way forward. I don’t think people realize – as you said – how expensive plastic is these days so producing toys at this scale makes perfect sense to me, especially when you consider that it opens up the opportunities for play sets, vehicles, mounts, accessories and so on that won’t be at the $250+ price point.
I think you might be over-thinking these comments. Not all toy collectors can be aware of the ins & outs of the industry. I would say the majority of collectors have no idea what plastic in Asia costs. They just know they want what they want.
I think their criticism is just as valid as your acceptance of the small scale.
I have to be honest, I feel “meh” about the horsemen lately too. I’m not sure what it is, either. Maybe it’s the departure of a founding member? Maybe it’s dcuc burn out? I’m not sure.
The ravens were great, but far too expensive for me to jump on board. The 4 inch stuff just doesn’t do much for me.
I love how the one commenter notes that gamers will buy statues and miniatures, but not toys. Which, as a former gamer, I’d say is incorrect. I’d have bought the hell out of those old Battletech action figures had I known they existed.
I think any gaming store that stocked these would find them to be quite popular.
Good article, Philip.
While I think these guys look really cool, I’ll admit that the four inch scale is a bit of a turn off for me for fantasy figures because none truly exist other than maybe some of the Bridge Directs’ smaller Hobbit figures. I love 4 inch lines like Star Wars, G.I. Joe, and Indiana Jones and I’ve even gone through periods where I was really into the 1/18th Marvel Universe line.
When it comes to smaller (in scope) action figure lines, I do tend to look at how can these be used with other similar lines. All of my movie based heroes and such are pretty much in that 6-7 inch scale that McFarlane and NECA used that compaines like SOTAand Amok Time used. The same goes for most of my zombie action figures; they’re all around 6-7 inches. When McFarlane’s the Walking Dead came out, (and even though the line keeps getting better and better) I passed because the scale fits little else. They would not fit in with G.I. Joe, they wouldn’t fit in with nearly every other figure I have that is a zombie or a zombie fighter in the 6-7 inch scale.
I think the realy backlash here is that despite cost issues and how cool these figures are, a 6-7 inch fantasy line has a potential customer base of fans who collect or collected MOTUC, Lord of the Rings, Marvel or McFarlane Toys’ Conan figures, and even the upcoming Magic the Gathering figures. As cool as the 4H’s work is, many collectors know that these guys will inevitable stand alone in their collections, at least for now.
I’ll be all over these if I get the chance, toys in this theme at this scale are next to non-existant apart from some offerings from Chap Mei and Papo. There are also some figures from the Narnia toy lines as well out there that could be put into the mix. And there is another company bringing out their own classically themed series as well, thought they have as yet to reveal more than a couple of teasers thus far appearing to take inspiration from Greek mythology more so than Knights of the realm
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boss-Fight-Studio/305261242935066
I can feel for the disappointed collectors out there, but there are just as many that are pleased I’m sure, +1 here 🙂
I feel in love with these figures the minute I saw them. While I’d LOVE it if they were 6 inches, my Wallet is even happier that they are only 4 inches. I think the point that people are missing is the vision of this line. 4″ armies of Knights. Potentially 4″ armies of Sci fi soldiers, 4″ cowboys. Add that to the OSM and Power Lords as well as all the other Glyos figures out there and this line can go anywhere and a lot faster and further than 6″ figures can.
I was actually about to mention the Chap Mei/True Legends line. I picked up the Heroes of Olympus pack a while back and it’s superb. (Here’s a few photos and a review, which I hope Philip won’t mind me linking off-site to – http://that-figures.blogspot.com/2014/02/review-true-legends-heroes-of-olympus.html)
Although their articulation is limited, the designers were pretty smart with where they included joints and the sculpts are fantastic. If you’re somebody who likes ”pose-able statue” figures, then these are great – especially at the price!
I think some guys just don’t get it. The days of 6-7 inch figures is crawling to an end. As I attemp my own steps into production, I am even considering 4″ inch figures, as raising 55 to 65,000 is not feasible. Sure 6 inch will look cool with MOTU , but the price will be out of many fans reach! The Four Horsemen are being smart, and are thinking of the fans!!
I’m a 3-3/4th and 4 in. scale fan so I find this to be really cool. But toy collectors complain about anything and everything, so I try to ignore the negativity when there is a really great product. If they don’t like it, so be it.
Plus, the whole Kickstarter thing is annoying. One reason I didn’t get in on the last 4 Horseman kickstarter was that I couldn’t figure out how to get what I wanted. All these tiers and what not are confusing. Just let me order something off a website.
Great article Phillip. I’m a HUGE 6″ fan, but I have to say as my wallet gets tighter these days a 4″ line becomes more appealing. I’m shocked we see any 6″ lines these days. Funko seems to be filling the gap, but I think I’d rather buy a nicely sculpted 4″ figure for $10, then a 6″ for $20 at this point.
Plus I’m a big fan of play sets as well and with the emerging 3D printing technology I see that becoming a big thing with 4″ collectors.
One important thing that you left out is that most of the Four Horsemen’s success, most of their fame in the industry, and most of their hardcore fan-base has been built around 6 inch scaled lines.
It shouldn’t be surprising that fans of their 6 inch work would be kind of disappointed this line is in 4 inches – particularly in the wake of both OSM and Power Lords being smaller. There’s a reason why every Fantastic Exclusive project was voted to be 6 inches…
“the Four Horsemen have legitimate, powerful reasons to create the action figures in this line in a [smaller scale]”… Yeah, and the fans have also legitimate, powerful reasons to prefer a larger scale.
Unfortunately, I see the 6″ market waning. I think the time of 4″ is nigh.
I think a lot of the booing and hissing about 4 inches is just knee-jerk naysaying. It’s people expressing their utter shock and disappointment, but I think people will come around. These are a whole new thing and they will be so cool that many of the hard-core six-inch addicts that are talking tough now won’t be able to resist them later on. There are a lot of people who didn’t buy in on the minotaurs early on for whatever reason and are now paying big bucks to fill in the holes in their collections.
I think you’re reading too much into those comments and, honestly, this article feels a bit like an overreaction on your part.
People enjoy what they enjoy and if they don’t enjoy a certain action figure scale, an education in toy manufacturing is not likely going to change their mind, and I’m not sure why it should or would.
There is nothing wrong with being a fan of someone’s work, but not buying it when it’s not right for you and saying as much – giving such opinions is kind of the point of sites like this and ItsAllTrue isn’t it?
And no one is posting ill will towards the horsemen or wishing them to fail. Saying that you are going to skip a line of action figures is not the same as saying you want it to fail.
I think Phil’s commentary is right on point. People weren’t just saying they are going to skip the line due to scale, they were making all kind of far-fetched declarations like claiming that 4 inch figures are just as dead as disco and 8-track. People were making all sorts of uninformed assumptions and that’s what so great about Phil’s commentary, he has the knowledge and know-how necessary to point things like that out. Not everybody’s opinion is equally valid, some people do know more than others, and there isn’t anything wrong with educating people. Heck, I feel smarter after having read it, don’t you?
I know that there seems to definitely be the opinion that the 6 inch scale is dying, but looking at the market I’m just not seeing that. In fact, It seems to me that more companies are getting into the scale and that figures are getting larger. NECA keeps cranking along, offering bigger and better products like the ED-209, a Predator vehicle, and a Power Loader. Marvel Legends has returned once again. For the first time ever, Star Wars has shifted into the scale and seems to be plowing along with the first vehicle in sight. Funko is entering the scale, too, and making quite a mark with their new Game of Thrones line. Diamond Select seems content as all of their 6-7 inch lines seem to be doing well. DC Collectibles keeps releasing more and more characters (and better selections) than we’ve seen in years. Plastic’s cost is going up, prices are going up, but I can’t recall a time in quite a few years when I’ve been as happy with the 6-7 inch scale.
I imagine we’ll see the same thing happen with 6-7 inch figures that we saw with 12 inch stuff- it’ll move beyond all trappings as just toys and really become inherently collector focused. I’m also wondering if we’re seeing companies release nicer 6-7 inch figures to try and court fans who feel priced out of the higher end stuff, although Hot Toys, Sideshow, and 3A don’t seem to be suffering any.
Of course many 4H “fans” aren’t really fans. Look at how many who LOVE MOTUC absolutely rip apart the 200X figure and staction designs. I mean they call them horrible, terrible, ugly, and every pejorative you can think of. Yet, those were 4H-designed figures and stactions. Sure, some of them were influenced by MYP, but especially the stactions are 100% 4H. And they look AMAZING. Here the 4H were trying to bring unique parts to a line that had always been parts reuse. Can you even believe a company trying that in this day and age? “Look, Buzz-Off and Whiplash no longer need to share limbs. Now the bee-man can be a totally different size than the alligator-man. Triklops gets his own belt and loin cloth with an eye-motif. Snout Spout gets robotic armor to go with his robotic head. Leach is a behemoth.” What a concept!. Yet the way these fans deride those figures and stactions, you would think Hitler himself designed them.
That’s a great point. Many MOTU fans who gush over the Horsemen and MOTUC definitely rip on 200x (which was a gorgeous line all around, whether the basic figures or stactions or statues).
200x still holds up really well. I’ve actually been meaning to bring a few more out to put up on display.
MOTU fans may be missing out on a cool new property. In other news, I finally have reason to bust out the ol’ D&D figures and give them some new baddies to battle!
I feel as thought this is very much a knee-jerk reaction torwards this line. I only collect figures I truly love but I don’t feel as though I’m slavishly devoted to scale. At first I did hope these would fit within that 6″-7″ scale to go along with MOTU Classics but The Horsemen’s goregous designs and sculpts won won me over and I was able to move past it.
By now, you have to know if you quote me, I shall come 🙂 So let’s talk…
Game shops…. walk into 3, 4, or a dozen of them Phil. Walk into 3 or 4 dozen over the last 25 some years. Then you’re free to make informed commentary on what the gaming community will or will not do and what the buying trends are. Tekwych is a fine and informed Shadowrun fan, and he would eagerly agree with me that Shadowrun doesn’t move the kind of units D&D does. That’s not a knock on the game nor the gamers, that’s an economic fact. And while figure nerds love the old D&D line of figures, we’re it. I can’t honestly say that I personally know 1 tabletop gamer who owns any of them, nor even cares and I’ve met literal dozens who, when I brought those toys up, didn’t even know they existed. You’re free to disagree of course, but what I said is not devoid of merit nor research.
Regarding the use of Kickstarter… of course tools are expensive. I absolutely recognize that. That’s why I advocate using Kickstarter to cut a few while the iron’s hot. Firstly, where else are the Horsemen going to generate that much cash all at once, collecting nickles from their couches? Loan from Grandma? They clearly need capital, crowd sourcing makes that capital easy to attain. Looking at the Raven Kickstater, which bought a full base body and nearly 2 dozen accessory pieces, for some comparable data, and we see that they made $303,000 dollars asking for $65,000… the potential to hit enough to generate more than one entire new tool is absolutely within the realm of possibility, especially as getting entire new character types is a real goal of interest for fans, certainly more desirable than “get one in blue, get one in green!” Especially as they have talked about using simpler paint aps to generate more variants, how well do you think “yellow, then red, then orange” will continue to generate interest?
Also, the Raven project, a 6 inch project, needed 65,000 dollars to generate tools… doing the Mythic Legions at 4 inch means, in theory, costs are lower, right? That same 65,000 ought to get us a lot more pieces, since the Raven already represents more plastic, larger tool steels, more paint aps, etc… right? You did the math there, smaller cube, less expensive, making the reality of more new tools within reasonable reach as a goal. Lastly, the Ravens represents a TON of new pieces for that money, once you factor in new heads and feet and weapons, etc… Logically, one 4 inch dwarf won’t have room for that many variant pieces.
There are also other figure concepts that have been funded on Kickstarter that give us some idea of what a smaller figure line might cost… these guys are making two tools, in a 6 inch scale, for $3000.0, and got over their funding goal. These are targeting a 40.0 price point, which is a little costly, but their tooling costs must be getting worked out somehow if they only needed 3 grand to start up… https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thekingdomcomic/the-kingdom-an-action-figure-project?ref=live
then in a more comparable style/scale, modibot https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gogodynamo/modibot-mo-diy-action-figures-with-3d-printed-acce?ref=live
these gents needed $12,000 to do real action figures using 3D printed designs… a LOT less than the 65,000 the Horsemen needed for the Ravens. He comes with a boatload of interchangeable parts, for a $15 pledge or $10 bucks for a basic fig off their website. They have a virtual shipload of parts already, especially when one adds in the 3D print shop. If these far simpler designs can pull well over their funding goal, why can’t Mythic Legions?
i also add the legendary monsters in here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1336904045/legendary-monsters-0?ref=live. Richard made more than double his required funding, for 4 complete tools plus gaming materials, all for 6,600.0 Am I supposed to believe the Horsemen couldn’t do 4 smaller tools, albeit with more parts, for 16,000? And that was his final take, well more than he needed for startup, but less than 1/10th what the Horsemen made for the Ravens.
Where is the economic reality of this? I ask this not in sarcasm, but in genuine interest, if you have hard numbers on sizes of production runs affecting per unit costs, number of pieces per item, costs of paint, etc, I would genuinely love to read that data. But all I’m reading thusfar is speculation that is no more valid than my own, and I have evidence that the costs are less than you’re insinuating.
A number of people have also commented that the rather specific genre of this opening salvo of designs means that despite the ability to interchange pieces with other glyos lines, there won’t be an inclination. Even in scale, they aren’t entirely compatible… so whether the joint allows me to or not, I won’t be putting a crayboth arm on my Skeleton Knight, for example. As I also mentioned on IAT, the specific nature of these designs takes out possibilities of parts swapping that we see in many of the Onell and SMC parts that already utilize the joint system. I can’t take a fist from a mailed knight and spin it upside down and backwards to use as a pelvis. So the interchangeable aspect, while it does have some advantages, is not a pure advantage. It’s being oversold as a feature because these aren’t Onell products, nor done with the same design approach towards interchangeability.
As I’ve said before, I will support this line, to a logical reason, because I’m an invested fan of both the fantasy genre and the Horsemen’s body of work. What I object to are some of the notions being floated around, like 4 inch was the only answer to make these, like the compatibility is a huge advantage, or the people moaning for a 6 inch incarnation of the line are bitter knee-jerkers… We’re not. We live in a world of proof, reason, and fact that says 4 inch was a choice, and not necessarily a perfect or consequence free choice, and we’re allowed to wish these were being done in another way. The conversation is a great one to have, and I thank you for the chance to get some real discussion going on the topic… though for the love of all that’s holy, if you say these would be better off with 5 POA, I’mma gonna brain ya! 🙂
DR, you can never pass up on a soapbox! 😉
Hey Dayraven, do you even have a clue what feel does for a living? If you did you would realize how stupid your little game store diatribe was.
Also “dayraven”, those kingdom figures only ended up about five inches and they have no articlation, so let us remove that from your example.
And i meant Phil not feel before you try and come back on that one.
DR is trying to extrapolate about “tooling costs” using a number of apples to oranges comparisons.
DR talks about the tooling costs for Richard Broadwaters “Legendary Monsters” but I’m a supporter of that Kickstarter and there are no tooling costs because these aren’t production figures tooled in China, the parts for the figures are being individually pulled from silicon molds, just like the figures from Tony Fowler’s Prince of Crystar Kickstarter Project..
Modi-bots are 3D printed, so again no tooling costs, so that comparison makes absolutely no sense.
The Kingdom Comic prototype Kickstarter involves no tooling because the money raised is simply to make a prototype. You don’t need steel tooling to make a prototype.
I love you DR, but you’re way in over your head here. Rampant speculation isn’t going to carry the day against someone like Phil who actually knows what he’s talking about.
Just because someone get a project funded on Kickstarter doesn’t mean that you can use that project to extrapolate anything when it comes to The Four Horsemen’s tooling costs.
People have also started Kickstarter projects and set goals without knowing what their costs would be and they have lost money doing so. So where people set their goals doesn’t tell you anything either.
If you want to look at a Kickstarter project goal set by a couple of guys who actually were raising money for tooling, you should look at “The Hero Project.” Their goal was $125,000.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gogodynamo/the-hero-project-action-figures-of-world-cultural
Since I mostly collect 3.75″, this scale is fine for me and I’m in 100%.
I would prefer these as 6-inch as well, to fit in with my MOTUC collection. But unfortunately, that scale has been in decline for the last 4+ years. I think at some point people have to come to grips that the 1990’s are over, the 2000’s are gone too, and big figures are just not going to be as cheap as they were with McFarlane Toys.
In the 1970’s, 12″ scale figures started to disapear, replaced by 8″ toys like Mego. In the 1980’s, 8-inch scale collectors hit the desert; there was only 3.75″ for the most part. The scale disappeared for many many years. In the 1990’s, 3.75″ disappeared, and there was mostly 5″ scale figures. In the 2000’s, the 5″ figures disappeared, and were replaced by 6-7″ figures. In the 2010’s, 6-7″ figures will disappear and we’re getting 3.75″ figures. I hope people see that toy trends are cyclical and things change, like it or not.
Guys like 4H just can’t do things at that scale like they used to financially. I mean, I for one would pay a premium for them to be 6″ but I am definitely in the minority- so I get where people who are complaining about this are coming from. At the same time, the 6″ community needs to come to grips that their scale is going away, much as 8″, 3.75″, and 5″ did over the last thirty years.
6″ won’t fit with MOTU…..
I think they fits ok. They make He-Man and Co. look beefy, just like they should.
At six inches, the only way they would fit aesthetically with He-Man is if you keep in mind that medieval warriors were usually tiny and around five feet tall. He-man would tower over these guys and be much, much thicker than their more realistic proportions.
Sure I get what you guys are saying. I guess what I’m saying is, I don’t really care that much if they’re *exactly 100%* in scale. They would simply be an “army” for He-Man and Co. to beat up anyway. Maybe that matters to some but not to me.
I am a hard-core toy collector, but I think things like “Superman is supposed to be 1.3546362cm taller than Batman; since he is 1.3546365cm taller, the entire line is a failure”- that type of thinking you’ll always be disappointed. He-Man towered over my Star Wars figures in the 80’s as a kid, so to me, him and his Eternia buddies are *supposed* to be freakishly large.